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I've been interested in tulpamancy for almost a year now. It's been a vague concept to me until recently, where I got to wondering if I could have a constant companion with which to communicate without religious aspects.

10:07 PM

Of course, they could have their own religion, but what I mean is that I'd like to learn what it's like to have someone there without the fear of prayer/damnation/not-good-enough/etc.

I see. That seems like a suitable enough reason.

10:08 PM

Prayer stuff can be complicated and comes with lots of other details, so I can understand not wanting to deal with that if other options are available

Thank you for understanding, Ruethus.

Being able to understand is one of my few overarching goals, because such opens up a lot of options not always normally available

Although I'm not the greatest expert on the actual formation process

Have someone without-- that's very curious. I don't think normal people, even religious people, would push it into standard conversation all too much

11:49 PM

Come to think of it, I'm more likely to push for going to church than my host is as well as less likely to forget to pray before meals. I guess that's a thing for our system in particular. I'm sure your tulpa will develop in such a way as to be compatible with you at least as a companion

Running out of things to talk about now I'm narrating about what to narrate about :/

3:58 AM

Any advice?

4:00 AM

Also what's a good guide for the narration/vocality/sentience stage?

Felight's guide is probably the best. Skim it though, it can get rather preach-y

What things have you been narrating about so far, @Scentefy, or how do you get inspiration?

Narrate about whatever happens in your life

6:02 AM

people at school

6:02 AM

people at work

6:03 AM

people in your hea- oh wait.

Going through memories is always fun because there are so many.

get inspired by people i talk to

6:45 AM

and whats currently going on

Memories are also a great tool. Tell stories and such

Uh, quick question/vent thingy.

4:43 PM

When I posted on reddit that I wanted to create a tulpa, this one guy keeps hounding me for being selfish for wanting to make a tulpa.

Making a tulpa is a selfish act, but then - most are. It also isn't a bad thing. The important point is how you actually intend to treat the tulpa.

4:45 PM

Your reason for making a tulpa isn't a particularly moral issue, though its possible effects on your capability of making a tulpa are perhaps more worthy of inspection.

Thanks, Winter. ^^

Selfishness is a problem when it is applied without consideration of how psychology works, hah.

4:47 PM

And, more importantly, without foresight.

Is there somewhere where I could share my "journal" of tulpamancy thus far? I started yesterday; I think having a second opinion on my personal ramblings would be helpful to me.

You can post it on the tulpa.info forum, if you wish.

Thank you, Winter. You've been a great help.

Excellent.

Specifically in progress reports

Will do.

What are the chances that your "second mind voice" is a tulpa

It's not really something you can put a probability on. You can just test it to see if it seems to be a different enough personality from yours to match someone else and if that someone else is like, a developed enough person to be functional in some way

How dya test personality

Reactions to various situations

I was just reading felights guide and he mentioned how vocality could sound the same as your mind voice

10:31 PM

And thought it was just a second me just argueing with myself over decisions and such, hmmm now it could be a possibility it was tulpa? I'm going crazy

It might be. Some people create whole arguments in their heads to play out though. If you’re confused, then the simpliest way to solve it would be to ask them (if they’re vocal)

10:36 PM

Well, I guess they would be vocal already since they’re arguing, but yeah

I would not say that the situation you describe is a tulpa

10:39 PM

I agree that vocality can sound like your mind voice, though

Mhm

Okay so I asked her earlier and she said yes, but I still have abit of doubt, parroting and such

Why do you think you have doubt?

Ive just been talking with this "second me" for so long that it feels weird to actually be a tulpa

10:54 PM

And might be unintentionally parroting responses

Some people say "unintentionally parroting responses simulated of the personality" and other people say "fledgeling tulpa"

10:55 PM

Either way, with enough exposure and time, the personality and voice will become much more well rounded

So do I like trust this voice then

11:01 PM

Should you be able to talk while tulpa is talking

Yes, absolutely! Otherwise your tulpa would be able to silence you at will

@Scentefy - If you can't tell the difference clearly at first, I would not recommend just assuming, as it might or might not be them. Try to figure out what would differentiate them from you. A lot of people do actively talk to themselves in their heads without having a tulpa, so that isn't likely an indicator of having a tulpa for a long time. (edited)

Hey, guys. I initiated the creation process today; it's really exciting! They're new to the world, with no chosen name or form as of now. But I feel like we're making progress, slowly but surely.

Good luck.

Of course, but if it isn't the tulpa that should hopefully become obvious. If it isn't obvious, that's kind of hard to even think of how that works.

In the end, if it isn't outright clear - in the case that you aren't able to tell the difference easily for whatever reason: inexperience, similarity of them talking, not being used to the "mind voice", etc - it becomes a question of probability. Try to minimize the possibility of error, and keep in mind that simply accepting "I don't know" and moving on is perfectly valid and honest.

That's true. It may end up somehow useful to merge that sort of idea of a voice automatically responding with the tulpa so that even if it wasn't that way to start it's a weird throughline for the mind to get the tulpa to talk. I don't think parroting is a terrible method for forcing after all, it's just one of the things people can make much worse purely by thinking too much or somehow not focusing on developing it

I think that parroting should be treated quite carefully in this case - constantly parroting does establish a habit of doing so, which is... Not good. I don't see anything wrong with it, however, if it lies within clearly demarked times and avoided outside of those times.

just make sure you clearly know when you are parroting that you are in fact doing so, after all you wouldn't want to mistake your tulpa's actual vocality for parroting (edited)

How do you realise you're parroting

Hmm, I wonder if I'm thinking of the same thing now. I thought parroting was-- well, letting your mind naturally simulate the personality you're trying to conceptualize and let have some agency, right? So when the simulation gets so smooth that it's nearly automatic, I would think that the simulation is the tulpa in the normal functional sense? (edited)

I guess so?

don't try to create the response, try to anticipate the response

So I'll continue with my progression then

1:38 AM

Any advice for listening for tulpa?

All I can offer is that eventually I noticed something akin to an accent that lets me easily identify which of us was that spoke

I know there are some people who suffered uhh, worse situations from parroting, I just don't really know how it works all too well enough to understand the function of a-- "fake tulpa" I guess it would be

Welp keep parroting out of mind :D and practice her voice more

Well if it's legitimately parroting and you think that you're likely to have issues, it might be good to uhh, to just wait or something. I don't know for sure, I just know that one person who was active went the parroting route and then at some point seemed to admit that a lot of messed up sort of denial problems were happening.

Was reading the felight guide

3:14 AM

And he says you can only parrot if its intentional

3:14 AM

But it seems like everything contradicts everything

That's what happens when you only have self report to go on.

Hah.

3:17 AM

Ah, no. "Parroting" is technically deliberate only. However, it is a more specific name for a broader phenomenon - the host making up responses in place of the tulpa.

3:18 AM

And, proceeding to pretend that it was the tulpa that made those responses.

3:18 AM

Generally trying to avoid that is a good thing.

parrotnoia is more damaging than parroting

3:25 AM

so it's better to step forward and be confident (edited)

So parroting has to be intentional to parrot

Parrotnoia is skepticism with assumptions. Do be concerned about simply making up responses in place of your tulpa, but there isn't any reason to overstress about it.

Sounds good

4:29 AM

I also read about how tulpas feelings

4:29 AM

Can have physical effects

4:29 AM

Is this true?

4:29 AM

Aka butterflies

yeah, you can receive the physiological reactions to your tulpa's feelings as if they were yours

4:30 AM

you do both inhabit the same body after all

Oh cool

4:32 AM

If I had a dollar for every question I asked on here. I'd be able to afford 25 burgers

that's what this channel is for

Anyway Reading on felights guide just sitting in wonderland trying to listen for tulpa for vocality

4:32 AM

Has anyone tried it

4:34 AM

"You should always practice taking a moment to simply quiet your own thoughts and wait for some sort of response."

doesn't need to be wonderland

4:41 AM

but yes, definitely do that